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Post by CindyJ on Feb 25, 2014 9:01:12 GMT -8
That goes to show us that if DL ever makes it to the RRHOF, would Viv even be included? Of course Viv would be included. Why not? He's been in the band 22 years. I think only the 4 original members of you-know-who are being inducted so it's a valid question as to whether or not Viv would be included (Phil too even though he was around for the start of their major success?).
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Post by andylgr on Feb 25, 2014 9:46:50 GMT -8
Of course Viv would be included. Why not? He's been in the band 22 years. I think only the 4 original members of you-know-who are being inducted so it's a valid question as to whether or not Viv would be included (Phil too even though he was around for the start of their major success?). What a mess.
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Post by Dan on Feb 25, 2014 10:13:18 GMT -8
The Leps haven't had major line up changes stemming form disputes. Even Pete Willis was fired/kicked out for drinking and related impacts on the band. He didn't leave for ego reasons like has happen to other bands. I believe the band would accept an induction as a band. Period. The real question is whether Pete would be included.
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Post by CindyJ on Feb 25, 2014 10:23:04 GMT -8
The Leps haven't had major line up changes stemming form disputes. Even Pete Willis was fired/kicked out for drinking and related impacts on the band. He didn't leave for ego reasons like has happen to other bands. I believe the band would accept an induction as a band. Period. The real question is whether Pete would be included. The bands don't decide which members get inducted. The HOF does.
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Post by Dan on Feb 25, 2014 10:32:25 GMT -8
The Leps haven't had major line up changes stemming form disputes. Even Pete Willis was fired/kicked out for drinking and related impacts on the band. He didn't leave for ego reasons like has happen to other bands. I believe the band would accept an induction as a band. Period. The real question is whether Pete would be included. The bands don't decide which members get inducted. The HOF does. Okay then..'what a mess' does indeed apply then.
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Post by DLManiac on Feb 25, 2014 11:50:50 GMT -8
Of course Viv would be included. Why not? He's been in the band 22 years. I think only the 4 original members of you-know-who are being inducted so it's a valid question as to whether or not Viv would be included (Phil too even though he was around for the start of their major success?). I would say that Phil has to be included. More so than Pete because Phil was on Pyro, Hysteria, and Adrenalize, which I feel are the main reasons DL would get inducted. Pete has a chance for being a founder and playing and writing on both HND and Pyro. But Viv didn't really do much till Slang. And DL post slang isn't exactly a hall of fame band. As much as I hate to say it. Andy, can you move this to a new RRHOF thread? I would like to discuss this more.
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Post by Shawn on Feb 25, 2014 13:37:45 GMT -8
Robert Trujillo from Metallica was Inducted and he was only a member since 2003. So who gets in can be negotiated. IMO when a band gets in and they are still active all members should get in. Just like if Def Leppard were to get in Pete Willis should also get in and especially Vivian.
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Post by DLManiac on Feb 25, 2014 13:54:59 GMT -8
Robert Trujillo from Metallica was Inducted and he was only a member since 2003. So who gets in can be negotiated. IMO when a band gets in and they are still active all members should get in. Just like if Def Leppard were to get in Pete Willis should also get in and especially Vivian. I think that Viv definitely deserves it, but by the RRHOF logic, it seems like he maybe wouldn't. Eric Singer has been on skins since 1991 and is their currently, so it's hard to say that he shouldn't. However, the fact that DL went through all the they did, has two Diamond albums, been eligible since 2005 and still haven't been nominated, makes me not too thrilled with the HOF selection process anyways.
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Post by Shawn on Feb 25, 2014 14:02:16 GMT -8
The inconsistency over the years with who gets in an when and why they get in...just proves what a joke the HOF is.
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Post by andylgr on Feb 25, 2014 14:20:34 GMT -8
I thought all band members would get in not just those from a "big" era of the picked band.
Pete was involved in the first 3 albums, playing and writing. He was more involved in pyro than Phil. Yet would the band want him inducted with them?
Viv hasn't had massive commercial success with the band, but I'm sure the rest of the members would want him inducting with them.
Am I right in thinking that klss got their original drummer back to play with them when they put the make up back on?
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Post by Shawn on Feb 25, 2014 14:34:18 GMT -8
I thought all band members would get in not just those from a "big" era of the picked band. Pete was involved in the first 3 albums, playing and writing. He was more involved in pyro than Phil. Yet would the band want him inducted with them? Viv hasn't had massive commercial success with the band, but I'm sure the rest of the members would want him inducting with them. Am I right in thinking that klss got their original drummer back to play with them when they put the make up back on? all four of the original members reunited in 1996 i believe... did an album after that and then they slowly got fired again after that... but i'm not a hard core fan so dates may be wrong
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Post by whitelightning625 on Feb 25, 2014 17:09:54 GMT -8
Viv filled some pretty big shoes!
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Post by baddog on Feb 25, 2014 18:42:05 GMT -8
If Viv is included then Pete should be included. IMO Pete was way more important to the bands success than Viv.
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Post by andylgr on Feb 25, 2014 23:54:35 GMT -8
I think IF the RRHOF pick what members go in, and they don't pick Viv, then I don't think Leps would accept it.
Going back to Pete - he's certainly been marginalised on the Leps discography page, (which I don't agree with), which makes me think they wouldn't be comfortable with him being inducted too.
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Post by DLManiac on Feb 26, 2014 0:23:24 GMT -8
Going back to Pete - he's certainly been marginalised on the Leps discography page, (which I don't agree with), which makes me think they wouldn't be comfortable with him being inducted too. I think that they would be fine with inducting Pete, but I don't think that they would go out of their way to get him in like they would with Viv.
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Post by CindyJ on Mar 2, 2014 7:41:20 GMT -8
General public ticket sales began yesterday, 1 March.... First Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame Induction Ceremony At Barclays Center Sold Out In MinutesFor the first time in the history of the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, the annual induction ceremony will take place in an arena, at Brooklyn’s Barclays Center. The ceremony concert will be held at 7 p.m. on April 10th. In previous years, the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame induction ceremonies were held at the Waldorf-Astoria hotel, but this year will mark the very first time that the concert tickets will be sold to the public. About 10,000 Rock and Roll Hall Of Fame induction tickets went on sale this morning and promptly sold out. The primary market face prices range from $66 to $576. There are now over 5,000 tickets is available on the secondary market with an average price of $357 and a get-in price of $108. The most expensive ticket available is priced at $3,030. Read the entire article here.
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Post by Shawn on Mar 2, 2014 9:45:21 GMT -8
5000 tickets being scalped ...that's madness....makes ya wonder how many of those are actually sourced from official sources.
A Sold out Arena full of Kiss fans yet the band won't be doing what they do best and playing. Makes absolutely no sense that they couldn't just for one night put their differences aside.
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Post by on Apr 21, 2014 13:20:09 GMT -8
I believe it would be the current lineup. If Viv were excluded, I think Joe would say to screw it!
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Post by stormy72 on Apr 21, 2014 17:43:58 GMT -8
You know what, DL has made their mark in music history and everyone who's been in DL has played an important role to get them where they are now regardless whether or not they end up in the Rock n' Roll Hall of Fame or whatever you wanna call it. They've given up a lot of themselves to give us great music to listen to for many years, god bless them and please keep the music coming, there aren't too many true musicians out there left!
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Post by Ted Leppard on Apr 21, 2014 19:53:36 GMT -8
I believe it would be the current lineup. If Viv were excluded, I think Joe would say to screw it! Steve would have to be included with them though. No way you can't include him if you're inducting Def Leppard. Pete Willis is kind of borderline. I don't see how you could not induct Vivian though, he's been with the band for almost 2/3 of their history by this point.
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Post by stormy72 on Apr 25, 2014 18:05:21 GMT -8
See this is why to me the Rock n' Roll Hall of Fame is pathetic, they have these inductions and in a lot of these bands who've been inducted you have either some members of bands that have either left the band and been replaced or have been fired and some unfortunately who have passed away. So for that reason alone just out of plain respect to the band why make it harder than it needs to be. It seems to me all it's gonna create is hard feelings. Not to mention you have people in the RNRHOF who really shouldn't be there in the first place. It's so covoluted it's ridiculous. These bands got together in the first place for the most part because of the love of what they do which is to create music, not so they could be inducted in the RNRHOF!
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Post by redleppardess on Apr 26, 2014 3:43:27 GMT -8
Madonna is in the RNRHoF. I rest my case.
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Post by stormy72 on Apr 26, 2014 3:55:40 GMT -8
When did Madonna get inducted? What a bunch of BS.
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Post by redleppardess on Apr 26, 2014 4:39:17 GMT -8
2008. And she's just a prominent example of all the people that don't belong there. I can't blame Joe for not giving a flying f. If I was a musician who'd happen to be chosen, I'd quite possibly decline. With an elaborate explanation.
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Post by on Jun 9, 2014 19:58:48 GMT -8
I hate the HOF. I think it's all political BS! I know Joe said he could care less but said the band wants it. Because Joe has been vocal about it, I think if they get inducted, the HOF will treat Leps like crap, just as they did KISS.
Here are my thoughts as well as what actually happened to KISS:
The HOF should not dictate which band members are included & which are not. Nor should they say which band members should perform. They told KISS they had to play in make-up & with the original 4. Peter & Ace refused to play on stage with Tommy & Eric (in make-up) It was just a huge mess.
HOF never wanted KISS to be inducted & they treated Gene & Paul like crap during the entire thing. Gene & Paul never received any info regarding time, or a schedule a lanyard to get in or anything! When Gene, Paul & managment & a photographer arrived, they were told they couldn't come in without credentials. They were never given any credentials. Gene told them, "we're KISS." They still wouldn't let them in. Gene just went in anyway.
All of the other inductees(including Peter & Ace) were given credentials, a schedule, info, etc, but not Gene & Paul. Other bands were also given a room or area to wait. HOF made Gene & Paul wait in the room with the food! Also, when KISS were being inducted, the manager, photographer, Shannon, etc stood up & cheered. HOF VIPs around them Booed them & said if they're with KISS, to sit down. Unreal! People who stood up for other inductees were not told to sit down, nor were they booed.
Gene & Paul were so pissed at how they were treated, they left immediately after their induction. I wish they never accepted! And if Def Leppard ever get invited, I hope they tell the HOF to "kiss it!"
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Post by TurnToDust86 on Jun 9, 2014 20:14:01 GMT -8
I've been a little suspicious of some of the inductees in recent years, especially in their first year of eligibility. To be completely honest I'm not sure GNR are a band that should have been inducted so quickly, if at all. I think the HOF was drawn to them as a way to get publicity by even attempting to get the original lineup back together. Which I think is the same with Kiss, minus it being their first year eligible. Kiss has a rabid fan base that has been hammering at the HOF for years, and Rush really showed that these bands can't be ignored forever. Kiss was next in line and the drama of potentially getting the original lineup back together meant more free publicity for the HOF. The HOF probably didn't want them in there, but had to relent due to the pressure from the fans and it meant free publicity. I'd say there was a performance/publicity element to Nirvana as well, though honestly I believe they deserved to be in.
As far as Leppard is concerned, I don't care either way. If they get in, great, if not, oh well. All members should be in (which I agree all members of Kiss and any other band that has been screwed in such a way should receive the same treatment). Leppard will not provide any drama or extra exposure for the HOF, so I don't see it happening unless they hit a point where they don't have anyone else more "respectable" to induct.
With what passes as popular music today, they'll run out of older, established, qualified acts eventually.
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Post by on Jun 9, 2014 20:23:21 GMT -8
Yes, the HOF had to finally submit to the KISS Army request! I also think Eddie Trunk had something to do with how rudely Gene & Paul were treated. It's very suspicious that Ace & Peter were treated with the utmost respect & Gene & Paul were treated like crap. Every inductee should have been treated the same.
I agrre that it will be awhile for Leps before they are nominated. I didn't vote for KISS & if Joe is still vocal that he doesn't give a crap, then I may not vote for them either.
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Post by Shawn on Jun 9, 2014 20:55:15 GMT -8
I think Def Leppard getting into the HOF would be great press for them. But, personally... i don't care if they do or not. It wouldn't change anything for me as a fan. I'm a die hard and always will be. I'll support them no matter what they do.... as long as they don't do another Covers Album The HOF is all about the Drama now and nothing about the Music. It's like we wait each year to see what joke of a band got in and what the reaction will be from the fans and the music press.
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Post by edwardcreighton on Jun 9, 2014 21:21:58 GMT -8
HOF means nothing to me, perhaps cos I'm a brit. Maybe big thing in US. Ask Joe what he wants; another US Number 1 album or HOF think i know the answer.
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Post by andylgr on Jun 9, 2014 23:08:37 GMT -8
I have to admit that I don't see the point in the HOF nor do I understand why it exists.
The fact they choose what band members get inducted is a disgrace. Thats basically them saying "you were good back then with so and so in the band, yet now you're not as good with the new guy in there, so please leave him at home when you come along to the ceremony please".
I don't understand some fans burning desire to see their favourite bands in there either.
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