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Post by tsmith on Jun 30, 2022 8:13:52 GMT -8
Definitely agree that the boldness of their set is fantastic with 4 new songs and 2 deeper tracks with Excitable and HYENSSB. My only issue is that I wish those spots had some different songs being that This Guitar is my least favorite song on the new album and Excitable might be my least favorite song on Hysteria. I'd much rather see them shorten that acoustic portion by replacing This Guitar with like SOS Emergency/Gimme A Kiss and then switching out Excitable for something else. I applaud the effort in switching things up though so hard to be too critical. And any of those songs beat seeing Rock On in the set again
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Post by andylgr on Jun 30, 2022 23:59:48 GMT -8
Definitely agree that the boldness of their set is fantastic with 4 new songs and 2 deeper tracks with Excitable and HYENSSB. My only issue is that I wish those spots had some different songs being that This Guitar is my least favorite song on the new album and Excitable might be my least favorite song on Hysteria. I'd much rather see them shorten that acoustic portion by replacing This Guitar with like SOS Emergency/Gimme A Kiss and then switching out Excitable for something else. I applaud the effort in switching things up though so hard to be too critical. And any of those songs beat seeing Rock On in the set again By no stretch is this tours setlist an all encompassing deep dive into their catalogue, but if someone had said before this tour started that 1/3 of the set will be outside the usual standard hits setlist I think that most people would have bitten the bands hands off for that. Comparing this to even their most recent US tour as a yardstick you only have to go back to their last full tour with Journey where they only played 16 songs on that tour and only 2 of the tracks were remotely outside the American norm (WLAHC & Man Enough), everything else was standard. Here we've got an 18 track setlist with 4 brand new songs never played before, thats a rarity in itself, I reckon you have to go back 20 years to see the last time that happened in a Leppard show. Then you've got 2 tracks rarely played in Excitable & HYENSSB. If those 4 new tracks had been replaced by deep cuts Leppard fans would have gone into meltdown, and to me 4 brand new songs in a set is just as risky a move. Theres also the supposed rotating slot in the set too. I saw that someone posted a printed band setlist online that showed Foolin rotating with 2 album tracks, so more songs have been rehearsed. If at some point they change that round then thats an even better change to the set too and would make 7 songs out of 18 being outside the norm that we've come to expect at a show. Theres always things they can do to make a setlist better for us fans that want more, but when such a large portion of the set will be set in stone for the rest of their career I think that 1/3 of a show outside of that isn't that bad a compromise.
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Post by treffo on Jul 1, 2022 5:21:22 GMT -8
It was Sweden Rock 2006, Sölvesborg. Great show! I've got a bootleg of that show on cd. The whole show is up on youtube: The energy was great all the way through (maybe except for Rock On). It was the only time I've seen them play three hits going into each other. Have they done that on regular basis back in the day? Photograph ended before the outro solo going straight into Armageddon It, which ended in one of the false endings going straight into Animal. Great way to keep the energy up and also save a little time, making it possible to play more music/songs. An amazing concert really. I think they were a little nervous after not being in Sweden for a very long time and also by following harder bands on the bill. But it ended up fantastic with a hard rocking setlist. They should take a look back on that show for future inspiration.
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Post by TurnToDust86 on Jul 1, 2022 5:49:11 GMT -8
I've got a bootleg of that show on cd. The energy was great all the way through (maybe except for Rock On). It was the only time I've seen them play three hits going into each other. Have they done that on regular basis back in the day? Photograph ended before the outro solo going straight into Armageddon It, which ended in one of the false endings going straight into Animal. Great way to keep the energy up and also save a little time, making it possible to play more music/songs. An amazing concert really. They did this for pretty much the entire (if not the entire) 2006 tour including through the US when they were coheadlining with Journey. I wasn't a fan of it at the time (but I wasn't a fan of that tour in general) but if they did that again today to squeeze in another new song or deep cut, I'd be cool with it.
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Post by treffo on Jul 1, 2022 5:55:05 GMT -8
The energy was great all the way through (maybe except for Rock On). It was the only time I've seen them play three hits going into each other. Have they done that on regular basis back in the day? Photograph ended before the outro solo going straight into Armageddon It, which ended in one of the false endings going straight into Animal. Great way to keep the energy up and also save a little time, making it possible to play more music/songs. An amazing concert really. They did this for pretty much the entire (if not the entire) 2006 tour including through the US when they were coheadlining with Journey. I wasn't a fan of it at the time (but I wasn't a fan of that tour in general) but if they did that again today to squeeze in another new song or deep cut, I'd be cool with it. I realize when I look at other setlists from 2006 that we got the absolutely best one in Sweden!
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Post by andylgr on Jul 1, 2022 6:05:49 GMT -8
By no stretch is this tours setlist an all encompassing deep dive into their catalogue. It's bold for sure and nice to see them believe in themselves. But playing the standard setlist singles (+ Excitable and an acoustic ballad single) together with four new singles is hardly "an all encompassing deep dive into their catalogue" imo. Far from it to be honest. You make it sound like it is a Ded Flatbird setlist! I think you need to read what I actually said and what you quoted because you've just agreed with me. 4 new songs is a big thing, saying they don't count because they are singles is way off. This isn't the 80's or 90's, theres no way new material nowadays has the same popularity as they used to. You only have to read the moans on social media to see the amount of complaints about them actually playing new songs because people don't know them. This isn't just a Leppard tour with crowds made up of solely Leppard fans who are aware of everything they do, this is a festival type crowd. If you think them playing 4 brand new songs isn't a big thing on a tour like this then you will never give them any credit.
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Post by treffo on Jul 1, 2022 7:04:35 GMT -8
It's bold for sure and nice to see them believe in themselves. But playing the standard setlist singles (+ Excitable and an acoustic ballad single) together with four new singles is hardly "an all encompassing deep dive into their catalogue" imo. Far from it to be honest. You make it sound like it is a Ded Flatbird setlist! I think you need to read what I actually said and what you quoted because you've just agreed with me. 4 new songs is a big thing, saying they don't count because they are singles is way off. This isn't the 80's or 90's, theres no way new material nowadays has the same popularity as they used to. You only have to read the moans on social media to see the amount of complaints about them actually playing new songs because people don't know them. This isn't just a Leppard tour with crowds made up of solely Leppard fans who are aware of everything they do, this is a festival type crowd. If you think them playing 4 brand new songs isn't a big thing on a tour like this then you will never give them any credit. I may have got lost in translation. "By no stretch" for me in Swedish is translated to something like "without saying too much". Wrong translation I realize now. Bold setlist, yes. Great setlist, no.
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Post by darrell1 on Jul 1, 2022 17:47:13 GMT -8
The setlist is pretty good. That one person was right though about Springsteen and Born In The USA. Can you imagine if DL only played 1 song off Hysteria though? They and we wouldn't want that, lol! In a perfect world they'd play about 22-25 songs and we'd get a song from X (which I LOVE), Euphoria, SFTSL, and maybe throw in TLFL, GOW...
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Post by andylgr on Jul 10, 2022 22:10:50 GMT -8
So we have the first setlist shake up of the tour.
Fire it Up replaced by Let it Go excitable replaced by Promises HYENSSB replaced by the full version of TSB.
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Post by edwardcreighton on Jul 10, 2022 22:16:12 GMT -8
Let it go as second song is brilliant. Guess the band can tell on stage how songs going down. 3 new songs is probably the correct number in a 90 minute set. Excellent they have kept to their guns with This Guitar staying in. Big funky Lepps fan, personal disappointment Excitable being replaced, such is life.
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Post by pete on Jul 10, 2022 23:46:31 GMT -8
I assume the (majority of the) people disillusioned with this setlist are US based & have the ability to attend one of these shows?
As a UK member I'd happily hear them play Baa Baa black sheep for an hour after not having live music for two years. COVID has taught me that life can change instantly and we should enjoy whatever is available as we never know when we won't be able to do these things.
Just my two penneth.
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Post by treffo on Jul 11, 2022 13:35:18 GMT -8
I would say that DL's set is neither for the casual nor the die hard fans.... They've taken out the epics, rockers and also everything electric from between 1987 and 2022. All electric songs except BOTH/625 are from the same three albums. Their performance is top notch. The setlist is not. It could easily be fixed by adding a few songs like Mirror Mirror/Let It Go, DHTH/Billy/TLFL and Promises. And removing a couple of ballads and/or FIU/Excitable. I guess DL will soon realize this and change the set a little. Not as much as some of us may think is needed, but a little bit. I'm quite sure about that even if they're not known for changing things too much. Possible songs to take out(?): Fire It Up Excitable This Guitar HYENSSB TSB Most likely songs to put in(?): LGR Promises Let it Go Anyone know if the boys are checking this forum? ;-)
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Post by darrell1 on Jul 12, 2022 22:09:04 GMT -8
I saw Poison dropped Something To Believe In annnnd Unskinny Bop! Wonder what's going on? Bret dedicates STBI to the Military at every show. Take out the guitar and drum solo (both very unnecessary, unless you're the headliner) and they played 7 songs. 7!!
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Post by andylgr on Jul 12, 2022 22:27:45 GMT -8
I saw Poison dropped Something To Believe In annnnd Unskinny Bop! Wonder what's going on? Bret dedicates STBI to the Military at every show. Take out the guitar and drum solo (both very unnecessary, unless you're the headliner) and they played 7 songs. 7!! Brett has been ill so that’s probably why. There was something posted earlier in one of the show threads about a statement he put out.
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Post by darrell1 on Jul 16, 2022 12:40:42 GMT -8
I get it, I really do. But can you imagine the huge amount of money Poison is making by playing 7 songs? I'd love to ask bands why they can't play more than 15-20 songs on a regular basis. I'm glad everyone is having a great time at these shows though! Love to see and hear live music again!!
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Post by diva on Jul 16, 2022 14:45:00 GMT -8
I get it, I really do. But can you imagine the huge amount of money Poison is making by playing 7 songs? I'd love to ask bands why they can't play more than 15-20 songs on a regular basis. I'm glad everyone is having a great time at these shows though! Love to see and hear live music again!! After just seeing them two days ago, I thought all the solos were unnecessary. Considering his health, it makes sense. He had a very obvious bandage on his left bicep. Motley is covering up for Vince too. I left after their 5th song. The motley fans have a lot of nerve complaining about Lep playing new songs and a couple of ballads when Vince gets several breaks during their set. They are relying on props and backup singers who barely sing and mostly do stripper moves while barely dressed. In Cincy, Tommy asked their fans to flash the cameras. I have no interest in that crap. I appreciate the Leps being classy.
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Post by diva on Jul 16, 2022 14:46:13 GMT -8
Let it go as second song is brilliant. Guess the band can tell on stage how songs going down. 3 new songs is probably the correct number in a 90 minute set. Excellent they have kept to their guns with This Guitar staying in. Big funky Lepps fan, personal disappointment Excitable being replaced, such is life. Let it go is absolutely amazing. I was blown away. Phil is shredding.
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Post by wne15 on Jul 18, 2022 5:33:57 GMT -8
I skimmed this thread while heading back from the Cincinnati show, so forgive me if it was mentioned on this thread (or elsewhere....) Am I the only one butthurt about the transition out of Hysteria into PSSOM? Hysteria is my go to song, always has been from the day I heard it the first time. On this tour, it just abruptly... well, ends. I know they are under time constraints, but that ending kinda was a "what" moment for me.
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Post by diva on Jul 18, 2022 7:57:35 GMT -8
I skimmed this thread while heading back from the Cincinnati show, so forgive me if it was mentioned on this thread (or elsewhere....) Am I the only one butthurt about the transition out of Hysteria into PSSOM? Hysteria is my go to song, always has been from the day I heard it the first time. On this tour, it just abruptly... well, ends. I know they are under time constraints, but that ending kinda was a "what" moment for me. I hate it. The “get closer to me” part is my favorite. The new ending did not go over well in Cleveland. The fans didn’t do the call and response at the end. I don’t see the point of changing a song that was perfect the way it was.
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Post by andylgr on Jul 18, 2022 8:54:52 GMT -8
I skimmed this thread while heading back from the Cincinnati show, so forgive me if it was mentioned on this thread (or elsewhere....) Am I the only one butthurt about the transition out of Hysteria into PSSOM? Hysteria is my go to song, always has been from the day I heard it the first time. On this tour, it just abruptly... well, ends. I know they are under time constraints, but that ending kinda was a "what" moment for me. I hate it. The “get closer to me” part is my favorite. The new ending did not go over well in Cleveland. The fans didn’t do the call and response at the end. I don’t see the point of changing a song that was perfect the way it was. I suppose they are going for a moment that involves the crowd in the show a bit more, I don't mind it as it makes for a bit of a refreshing change. Its a bit weird because we are so used to the usual live version, but I think that if they thought it wasn't working I guess they'd drop it.
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Post by diva on Jul 18, 2022 11:37:37 GMT -8
I hate it. The “get closer to me” part is my favorite. The new ending did not go over well in Cleveland. The fans didn’t do the call and response at the end. I don’t see the point of changing a song that was perfect the way it was. I suppose they are going for a moment that involves the crowd in the show a bit more, I don't mind it as it makes for a bit of a refreshing change. Its a bit weird because we are so used to the usual live version, but I think that if they thought it wasn't working I guess they'd drop it. It’s doing the opposite. The fans are disengaging from the song. I think I posted a clip of how it went down in Cleveland. Rick hitting the gong at the end didn’t do much either. I understand if they want a fresh take on the song that is more exciting but it killed the mood. A full Lep only audience probably would have appreciated it more.
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Post by Blair on Jul 18, 2022 14:45:10 GMT -8
I suppose they are going for a moment that involves the crowd in the show a bit more, I don't mind it as it makes for a bit of a refreshing change. Its a bit weird because we are so used to the usual live version, but I think that if they thought it wasn't working I guess they'd drop it. It’s doing the opposite. The fans are disengaging from the song. I think I posted a clip of how it went down in Cleveland. Rick hitting the gong at the end didn’t do much either. I understand if they want a fresh take on the song that is more exciting but it killed the mood. A full Lep only audience probably would have appreciated it more. Watching from the sidelines, it does seem odd. Almost like it's a different song. The bass intro might've gone down better and bring back the crowd participation in ROA. Neither have really been done in years, but people may remember.
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Post by treffo on Jul 18, 2022 15:18:51 GMT -8
It’s doing the opposite. The fans are disengaging from the song. I think I posted a clip of how it went down in Cleveland. Rick hitting the gong at the end didn’t do much either. I understand if they want a fresh take on the song that is more exciting but it killed the mood. A full Lep only audience probably would have appreciated it more. Watching from the sidelines, it does seem odd. Almost like it's a different song. The bass intro might've gone down better and bring back the crowd participation in ROA. Neither have really been done in years, but people may remember. Had to check the Hysteria ending. Really strange! At one point it really felt like they were about to go into another song. But as it is now it's pointless, and a bit mood killing, IMO. The bass intro on the other hand would be cool.
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Post by wabowarrior on Jul 18, 2022 19:14:35 GMT -8
It’s doing the opposite. The fans are disengaging from the song. I think I posted a clip of how it went down in Cleveland. Rick hitting the gong at the end didn’t do much either. I understand if they want a fresh take on the song that is more exciting but it killed the mood. A full Lep only audience probably would have appreciated it more. Watching from the sidelines, it does seem odd. Almost like it's a different song. The bass intro might've gone down better and bring back the crowd participation in ROA. Neither have really been done in years, but people may remember. That Rock Of Ages crowd participation was great, both the "I want rock n' roll/long live rock n' roll" version and the one where they jammed in bits of "Not Fade Away" and "Whole Lotta Love" into it.
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Post by steellepp on Jul 19, 2022 4:58:24 GMT -8
I must be a weirdo, I actually dig the current ending for Hysteria 🤷♂️
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Post by wabowarrior on Jul 22, 2022 12:10:30 GMT -8
So, they have a two week break. I assume the guys will most likely go their separate ways to their homes for a bit of family time.... however, does anyone think we'll have some setlist changes when they reconvene?
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Post by darrell1 on Jul 22, 2022 13:32:47 GMT -8
If they do, it'll be a song or 2. They really don't ever leave their comfort zone. This isn't a band big on spontaneity. They started with 18 songs. They dropped the only song they were playing from Adrenalize and reduced the setlist to 17 songs...
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Post by motleymexico on Jul 22, 2022 20:58:27 GMT -8
This guitar has to go...
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Post by edwardcreighton on Jul 22, 2022 21:28:24 GMT -8
Think given band is overjoyed with DSH should keep to 3 songs from that. I would keep This Guitar as its the best, for me, of the slower songs on album and maybe easiest to play live.
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Post by andylgr on Jul 23, 2022 3:29:59 GMT -8
What I found interesting in the last behind the scenes video from Ryan was how they described the recent setlist changes. They referred to it as a rock set and I think it was Joe saying that he set is now promoting Def Leppard as a whole instead of promoting DSH with the addition of Promises & Let it Go and dropping Fire it Up.
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