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Post by andylgr on Jul 26, 2022 8:33:17 GMT -8
Brilliant. Loved Joe reading then whiskey bottle when he realised how strong it was.
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Post by Jefflep on Jul 26, 2022 10:56:39 GMT -8
That was epic! Brilliant. Loved Joe reading then whiskey bottle when he realised how strong it was.
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Post by pete on Jul 26, 2022 23:40:21 GMT -8
The Leps constantly impress me with how 'human' they are. They really are three lads from Sheffield, a Londoner and a lad from Northern Ireland who just happen to be in a rather successful band together.
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Post by diva on Jul 27, 2022 4:35:47 GMT -8
The Leps constantly impress me with how 'human' they are. They really are three lads from Sheffield, a Londoner and a lad from Northern Ireland who just happen to be in a rather successful band together. I was just thinking about this during my commute today. Obviously we all enjoy their music as fans. I feel like the die hard fans know their personalities and enjoy them as individuals as well as their band chemistry. There’s so many bands that flat out hate each other and only try to get along for money. It seems like they truly care for each other. I really respect that.
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Post by andylgr on Aug 2, 2022 8:06:41 GMT -8
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Post by rsebastyan on Aug 2, 2022 10:09:56 GMT -8
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Post by andylgr on Aug 2, 2022 10:23:27 GMT -8
They should film a show and you should do a behind the scenes documentary for the whole tour.
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Post by edwardcreighton on Aug 2, 2022 17:10:28 GMT -8
Love captains log vids. Miss Viv giving middle finger to camera on this tour!
Poison not touring 2023, not such a big loss in Europe. Could replace them with Europe!
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Post by Jefflep on Aug 2, 2022 18:20:20 GMT -8
I commented on this on FB.., curious what the line up wound be. Love captains log vids. Miss Viv giving middle finger to camera on this tour! Poison not touring 2023, not such a big loss in Europe. Could replace them with Europe!
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Post by andylgr on Aug 2, 2022 18:48:33 GMT -8
Where’s the info come from regarding Poison? I think Poison would be a loss, purely because they rarely play outside the USA and personally I’d like to see them. It’s not catastrophic to the success of the tour though.
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Post by TurnToDust86 on Aug 2, 2022 19:17:55 GMT -8
Where’s the info come from regarding Poison? I think Poison would be a loss, purely because they rarely play outside the USA and personally I’d like to see them. It’s not catastrophic to the success of the tour though. Looks like from a recent interview Bret did with EddMe Trunk. loudwire.com/bret-michaels-doesnt-think-poison-tour-2025-teases-party-gras-tour-2023/Sounds like a joke if you ask me, but that’s Bret & Poison for you. Why play in stadiums and try to grow your long neglected international audience when you can go solo and do karaoke nonsense plus the same tired old Poison songs in smaller venues at home? I cringe when people rave about Poison’s shows cause they literally put in the bare minimum of effort.
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Post by andylgr on Aug 2, 2022 19:28:44 GMT -8
Where’s the info come from regarding Poison? I think Poison would be a loss, purely because they rarely play outside the USA and personally I’d like to see them. It’s not catastrophic to the success of the tour though. Looks like from a recent interview Bret did with EddMe Trunk. loudwire.com/bret-michaels-doesnt-think-poison-tour-2025-teases-party-gras-tour-2023/Sounds like a joke if you ask me, but that’s Bret & Poison for you. Why play in stadiums and try to grow your long neglected international audience when you can go solo and do karaoke nonsense plus the same tired old Poison songs in smaller venues at home? I cringe when people rave about Poison’s shows cause they literally put in the bare minimum of effort. World tour in 2025? Yeah right. I can’t remember the last time they played “the world”. You’d think that raising the bands exposure on a world stadium tour with Leps and Crue would be the perfect way to promote themselves ready for their 2025 world tour. Lazy.
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Post by edwardcreighton on Aug 2, 2022 20:02:29 GMT -8
Guess Bret makes more money potentially out of him headlining with Ratt and Cinderella opening in select amphitheaters. Poison's loss by not touring Europe.
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Post by pete on Aug 2, 2022 22:35:44 GMT -8
No Poison on the euro leg would definitely be a downer. As others say they ignore here to their loss. And I rather see Poison than Crue at this stage of the game.
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Post by tsmith on Aug 3, 2022 4:35:41 GMT -8
Couldn't agree more...definitely a "lazy" band. They could've used this tour as a springboard. I mean, we've got a band like Def Leppard that used their time off during Covid to give their fans a new album that generated a lot of excitement. Then there's Poison who used their time off to do absolutely nothing. Talk about missed opportunities.... It's really too bad but makes me thankful that Def Leppard hasn't gone the same route. Looks like from a recent interview Bret did with EddMe Trunk. loudwire.com/bret-michaels-doesnt-think-poison-tour-2025-teases-party-gras-tour-2023/Sounds like a joke if you ask me, but that’s Bret & Poison for you. Why play in stadiums and try to grow your long neglected international audience when you can go solo and do karaoke nonsense plus the same tired old Poison songs in smaller venues at home? I cringe when people rave about Poison’s shows cause they literally put in the bare minimum of effort. World tour in 2025? Yeah right. I can’t remember the last time they played “the world”. You’d think that raising the bands exposure on a world stadium tour with Leps and Crue would be the perfect way to promote themselves ready for their 2025 world tour. Lazy.
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Post by wabowarrior on Aug 3, 2022 9:59:12 GMT -8
Insanely poor business sense. Poison has all this momentum from the great reviews and talk about how well they are performing on this tour. Your options are:
- Stick with Def Leppard and Motley for the overseas version, where you essentially are taking none of the risk for how it draws, but get the chance to revitalize your fanbase in other markets, just like you are in the U.S.
- Do your own headline U.S. tour, where all the fans (new and old) who were impressed by your short set on the Stadium Tour come back to see a full show. Throw a solid pair of openers and it could probably do small arenas and large sheds.
- Bret goes out on his solo run (which traditionally plays clubs and theaters) with a few openers and do the summer sheds (some of which probably won't sell out) while the other three guys sit at home and all the momentum from this summer gets lost.
Who would pick the third option?
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Post by Jefflep on Aug 3, 2022 10:07:11 GMT -8
I am curious what Poison’s guarantee is, and what their overhead is on this tour. Does he really not like these guys?? Or is he really ok with what his solo show earns & having complete control? Insanely poor business sense. Poison has all this momentum from the great reviews and talk about how well they are performing on this tour. Your options are: - Stick with Def Leppard and Motley for the overseas version, where you essentially are taking none of the risk for how it draws, but get the chance to revitalize your fanbase in other markets, just like you are in the U.S. - Do your own headline U.S. tour, where all the fans (new and old) who were impressed by your short set on the Stadium Tour come back to see a full show. Throw a solid pair of openers and it could probably do small arenas and large sheds. - Bret goes out on his solo run (which traditionally plays clubs and theaters) with a few openers and do the summer sheds (some of which probably won't sell out) while the other three guys sit at home and all the momentum from this summer gets lost. Who would pick the third option?
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Post by diva on Aug 3, 2022 11:12:54 GMT -8
Insanely poor business sense. Poison has all this momentum from the great reviews and talk about how well they are performing on this tour. Your options are: - Stick with Def Leppard and Motley for the overseas version, where you essentially are taking none of the risk for how it draws, but get the chance to revitalize your fanbase in other markets, just like you are in the U.S. - Do your own headline U.S. tour, where all the fans (new and old) who were impressed by your short set on the Stadium Tour come back to see a full show. Throw a solid pair of openers and it could probably do small arenas and large sheds. - Bret goes out on his solo run (which traditionally plays clubs and theaters) with a few openers and do the summer sheds (some of which probably won't sell out) while the other three guys sit at home and all the momentum from this summer gets lost. Who would pick the third option? Thank you. What he’s doing makes absolutely no sense. He has no solo career. He has no hit songs outside of Poison.
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Post by TurnToDust86 on Aug 3, 2022 11:19:13 GMT -8
It's interesting to look at the parallels between Poison and Leppard 20 years ago. Seems like both of them reached a similar crossroads and took vastly different approaches. Obviously the two bands are in entirely different leagues when it comes to their discographies and overall quality, but for a time... They were in the same boat and Lep very well could have suffered the same fate as Poison.
2002 saw both bands release studio albums and their success may have been dwindling a bit. Covers albums followed.
Def Leppard made a choice to fight their way back. They changed management and put in the legwork to rebuild their fanbase. While new music certainly became less of a priority and took longer to come out, it still happened and continues to happen. Lep built their popularity back up from 2005-2009, perhaps saw a plateau in the 2010-2013 period, then got back on the track of building it up each year from 2014-2019 and are now on top of the world.
On the flip side, Poison ditched bothering with new music all together and was perfectly fine sinking into the 40-60 minute opening slot for whatever tour would have them whenever they could stand the sight of each other. Every show they play wastes time with banter, solos, and draws on the same small pool of songs solely from their first three albums. Looking at various music sites/forums, I keep seeing people talk about the solos being necessary due to Bret's health. No, they're not. They've been doing this exact same for the last two decades. They have enough known songs to fill an hour, but they don't want to put even that much work in. They don't have enough known songs to fill any more time than that, so they will always be relegated to an opening slot or a tiny venue where they play for an hourish as a headliner. I would imagine whatever die-hard, dedicated fan base they had has severely dwindled in the past two decades. What exactly is there to follow or look forward to with this band?
They've done literally nothing to try to grow their fan base. Everything is the bare minimum. They may put on a show of being 'brothers' on stage but clearly they don't want to spend too much time with each other. Despite the facade they put on each night, it's still very much the Bret Michaels show. He's out there having his own social media people take photos and videos of him alone. The band was introduced as "Bret Michaels and Poison" at the show in Kansas City. It's no wonder he would rather split and do his solo stuff. He'd rather be the center of attention in a small place than put up with sharing attention in a big place. Sure, he'll get back with Poison for a short run every few years to pad the wallet and perhaps the ego in front of a big audience, but then it's right back to going on his own.
It's no secret that I'm not a Poison fan, as I've vented about them every year Lep has forced me to see them. But I've actually come around on them this year and given them credit for being more entertaining than Motley Crue (another group that can't stand each other, but is worse at faking it). Yet despite the most attention and positive feedback they've received in years, Poison (or Bret) once again would rather piss away any chance at momentum and growth that they're gifted. It's pathetic.
Seems Lep fought their way back because they knew they were better than how they were being treated in the early 2000's and they've rightfully earned their way back to where they are today. I guess Poison knows they have no substance and are no better than doing a small handful of songs and solos each night, so they accepted it and will trot out the same muddy sounding crap year after year. If so, props for being self-aware I guess. I just cringe when I hear people at shows saying Poison is the best band on the bill because they play 7 songs that were kind of hits and Bret spends the majority of the evening talking to or pointing at people, giving the perception of being personable.
It's a shame for anyone outside the US that wants to see Poison for the first time in decades or ever, but I'm sure they can easily fill that spot with a much better band.
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Post by diva on Aug 3, 2022 12:08:38 GMT -8
It's interesting to look at the parallels between Poison and Leppard 20 years ago. Seems like both of them reached a similar crossroads and took vastly different approaches. Obviously the two bands are in entirely different leagues when it comes to their discographies and overall quality, but for a time... They were in the same boat and Lep very well could have suffered the same fate as Poison. 2002 saw both bands release studio albums and their success may have been dwindling a bit. Covers albums followed. Def Leppard made a choice to fight their way back. They changed management and put in the legwork to rebuild their fanbase. While new music certainly became less of a priority and took longer to come out, it still happened and continues to happen. Lep built their popularity back up from 2005-2009, perhaps saw a plateau in the 2010-2013 period, then got back on the track of building it up each year from 2014-2019 and are now on top of the world. On the flip side, Poison ditched bothering with new music all together and was perfectly fine sinking into the 40-60 minute opening slot for whatever tour would have them whenever they could stand the sight of each other. Every show they play wastes time with banter, solos, and draws on the same small pool of songs solely from their first three albums. Looking at various music sites/forums, I keep seeing people talk about the solos being necessary due to Bret's health. No, they're not. They've been doing this exact same for the last two decades. They have enough known songs to fill an hour, but they don't want to put even that much work in. They don't have enough known songs to fill any more time than that, so they will always be relegated to an opening slot or a tiny venue where they play for an hourish as a headliner. I would imagine whatever die-hard, dedicated fan base they had has severely dwindled in the past two decades. What exactly is there to follow or look forward to with this band? They've done literally nothing to try to grow their fan base. Everything is the bare minimum. They may put on a show of being 'brothers' on stage but clearly they don't want to spend too much time with each other. Despite the facade they put on each night, it's still very much the Bret Michaels show. He's out there having his own social media people take photos and videos of him alone. The band was introduced as "Bret Michaels and Poison" at the show in Kansas City. It's no wonder he would rather split and do his solo stuff. He'd rather be the center of attention in a small place than put up with sharing attention in a big place. Sure, he'll get back with Poison for a short run every few years to pad the wallet and perhaps the ego in front of a big audience, but then it's right back to going on his own. It's no secret that I'm not a Poison fan, as I've vented about them every year Lep has forced me to see them. But I've actually come around on them this year and given them credit for being more entertaining than Motley Crue (another group that can't stand each other, but is worse at faking it). Yet despite the most attention and positive feedback they've received in years, Poison (or Bret) once again would rather piss away any chance at momentum and growth that they're gifted. It's pathetic. Seems Lep fought their way back because they knew they were better than how they were being treated in the early 2000's and they've rightfully earned their way back to where they are today. I guess Poison knows they have no substance and are no better than doing a small handful of songs and solos each night, so they accepted it and will trot out the same muddy sounding crap year after year. If so, props for being self-aware I guess. I just cringe when I hear people at shows saying Poison is the best band on the bill because they play 7 songs that were kind of hits and Bret spends the majority of the evening talking to or pointing at people, giving the perception of being personable. It's a shame for anyone outside the US that wants to see Poison for the first time in decades or ever, but I'm sure they can easily fill that spot with a much better band. 👏🏻
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Post by wabowarrior on Aug 3, 2022 14:40:24 GMT -8
Looking at various music sites/forums, I keep seeing people talk about the solos being necessary due to Bret's health. No, they're not. They've been doing this exact same for the last two decades. They have enough known songs to fill an hour, but they don't want to put even that much work in. They don't have enough known songs to fill any more time than that, so they will always be relegated to an opening slot or a tiny venue where they play for an hourish as a headliner. Not disagreeing with a majority of your post, however Bret's health issues are not due to age. He has been dealing with diabetes his whole career, and has had issues with his blood sugar levels during shows in the past. I know people who worked shows (way back) and that Bret would test during solos and sometimes need orange juice to help with his sugars. Also, I'd argue that Poison has enough "hits" to fill out a longer set, which they did during the late 90's/early 00's when they went out pretty much every summer headlining over a bill of 80's acts. Now, that said.... you are 100% spot on that Poison is a "legacy" act, totally relying on their first three albums (and occasionally "Stand") for their sets. No new music, and no real desire to do anything but play those same songs every time they go out. Bret is obviously far more focused on his own "brand" doing solo shows and reality TV. I get the feeling C.C. isn't bothered by this, and I even recall him once saying that he likes that Bret stays "busy" implying he doesn't want to go in the studio either. Honestly. I think Rikki is the only one who has ever said he is interested in making new music. As for not getting along, since C.C. got sober, it has always been Bobby & CC in one bus, Rikki & Bret in the other. Now, that said.... as a band, I think they are killing it on this tour and putting on great performances. Unfortunately, it looks like they plan to do zero to capitalize on it.
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Post by edwardcreighton on Aug 3, 2022 16:31:41 GMT -8
Think in Europe audiences rather have extra Poison songs than banter and solos. Brets banter would probably be very annoying in Europe. Goes down well in the States.
Not having Poison or another opening band play doesnt bother me, it's getting to see our heroes in 2023 which is my sole musical aim.
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Post by diva on Aug 3, 2022 17:32:36 GMT -8
Think in Europe audiences rather have extra Poison songs than banter and solos. Brets banter would probably be very annoying in Europe. Goes down well in the States. Not having Poison or another opening band play doesnt bother me, it's getting to see our heroes in 2023 which is my sole musical aim. I was not impressed with his banter. He repeats himself and rambles. He would be better having a script of some sort.
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Post by cal on Aug 4, 2022 23:13:16 GMT -8
Great post TurnToDust86! I really think you cannot underestimate the importance for Leppard in changing management. I remember the collective hand-wringing on DefNet back in 1999-2001 when Leppard were playing State Fairs on the Euphoria Tour. They had an album that had managed to shift over 600,000 copies in the US, including a rock radio #1 in 'Promises', with virtually no promotion or impetus from the label or management. They just needed backing to have a platinum album, but instead they were nowhere to be seen in the media and were relegated to competing with pie-eating contests at State Fairs. At the same time, Poison launched the first of their Summer Shed tours with Ratt, Great White, and LA Guns in support, and did very well playing major venues. There was even jealousy from some Lep fans at the time (hard to believe, but true). Leppard refused to team up with other well-known bands, and Universal seemed committed to only one 80s heritage rock act, Bon Jovi. But once they ditched Q-prime (who seemed to only be interested in Metallica), there was an almost instant upswing in their fortunes. They were suddenly all over television and booking bigger shows in better venues.
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Post by andylgr on Aug 4, 2022 23:29:59 GMT -8
When you think about it, without the pandemic, the 2020 stadium tour would have marked 15 years of hard work to get themselves into a better position commercially than they were in the late 90's / early 2000's. All bookended by their first ever co-headline tour in stadiums (with Bryan Adams) and now the current stadium tour with Crue, which must surely go down as their biggest tour yet?
Its now 17 years since changing management, it all began with the release of a best of to get them back in the spotlight, (a simple and genius business move IMO), then they went out on the co-headline tour with Bryan Adams, quite high profile I'd say. Subsequently thats how they've continued to build their brand again, by touring with other big bands. Couple that with the digital catalogue releases, legacy releases and now that hard work has paid off. Re-signed to a big label and on a massive tour that could last 2 years and their popularity is seemingly getting bigger and bigger.
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Post by diva on Aug 5, 2022 6:15:26 GMT -8
When you think about it, without the pandemic, the 2020 stadium tour would have marked 15 years of hard work to get themselves into a better position commercially than they were in the late 90's / early 2000's. All bookended by their first ever co-headline tour in stadiums (with Bryan Adams) and now the current stadium tour with Crue, which must surely go down as their biggest tour yet? Its now 17 years since changing management, it all began with the release of a best of to get them back in the spotlight, (a simple and genius business move IMO), then they went out on the co-headline tour with Bryan Adams, quite high profile I'd say. Subsequently thats how they've continued to build their brand again, by touring with other big bands. Couple that with the digital catalogue releases, legacy releases and now that hard work has paid off. Re-signed to a big label and on a massive tour that could last 2 years and their popularity is seemingly getting bigger and bigger. I think Phil said recently that it was going to be their biggest tour ever. What I don’t get with their old management is, Def Leppard OWNED vh1. Every show on vh1 that featured the band was a big hit. Crossroads with Taylor Swift was a huge hit. People are still talking about it. So I don’t get why the old management didn’t see that they were still relevant and had a fan base.
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Post by cal on Aug 5, 2022 7:22:49 GMT -8
Q-Prime really gave up on them. I was so happy when they ditched them. Howard Kaufman and then after his sad passing, Mike Kobayashi, revitalised the band's career. The change was almost instant - they were on NBC's 'Today Show' Summer Concert Series, and then on every other tv show - more than I can mention, but including the finale of America's Got talent, Big in 05, the Spike Awards, every talk show multiple times, Crossroads, the CMT awards finale, etc. For Euphoria and X there was a sea of nothing - just Wallmart appearances and Mall of America shows??? BTW, how did Rick Allen's brother become Taylor Swift's manager?
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Post by wabowarrior on Aug 5, 2022 8:26:21 GMT -8
Robert Allen has worked as a road manager for acts in rock and country for many years from what I understand. Taylor was just another in his long line of credits handling acts on the road.
As for Q-Prime, I think Peter and Cliff were just stretched too thin, and Metallica and Rage Against The Machine were obviously bigger priorities. Leppard was being ignored, which is hilarious since the reason Lars wanted Q Prime was because of the job they did with Leppard.
I've mentioned this story before, but Cliff was standing near me in the crowd at the Leppard/Adams show in Brooklyn, and when the band went into "Animal" and the crowd went nuts, he smiled and remarked how they still had it.
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Post by diva on Aug 5, 2022 8:56:08 GMT -8
Robert Allen has worked as a road manager for acts in rock and country for many years from what I understand. Taylor was just another in his long line of credits handling acts on the road. As for Q-Prime, I think Peter and Cliff were just stretched too thin, and Metallica and Rage Against The Machine were obviously bigger priorities. Leppard was being ignored, which is hilarious since the reason Lars wanted Q Prime was because of the job they did with Leppard. I've mentioned this story before, but Cliff was standing near me in the crowd at the Leppard/Adams show in Brooklyn, and when the band went into "Animal" and the crowd went nuts, he smiled and remarked how they still had it. Never heard that story. How awesome
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Post by diva on Aug 5, 2022 8:58:27 GMT -8
Q-Prime really gave up on them. I was so happy when they ditched them. Howard Kaufman and then after his sad passing, Mike Kobayashi, revitalised the band's career. The change was almost instant - they were on NBC's 'Today Show' Summer Concert Series, and then on every other tv show - more than I can mention, but including the finale of America's Got talent, Big in 05, the Spike Awards, every talk show multiple times, Crossroads, the CMT awards finale, etc. For Euphoria and X there was a sea of nothing - just Wallmart appearances and Mall of America shows??? BTW, how did Rick Allen's brother become Taylor Swift's manager? The Voice. Also on a show I think it was called Brothers and Sisters when they showed Sugar concert footage and it looked like Sav was reacting to the female character flashing him. Lol
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